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Usenet Mac Digest     Sunday, December 27, 1987     Volume 3 : Issue 107

Today's Topics:
     Mac WORD 3.01 => DCA file => PC WordPerfect
     Re: Bug in Mac Word 3.01?
     Problem with PowerPoint
     Re: Bug in Mac Word 3.01?
     Re: appletalk address
     Another SFGetFile question
     Control Panel Bug?
     Mac II ADB problem
     Raytracing
     Re: Control Panel Bug?
     Convert 800k external to Mac II (left) internal?
     densitometric measuring with Macintosh ?
     Farm Software Names Found
     Re: simulating relativistic motion
     Re: Control Panel Bug?
     Need help with color startupscreen
     4D Limitations and woes?
     My 'disk catalog' overfloweth!  Help!
     DMCS for the Mac II
     Re: The Installer question
     Re: Mac II ADB problem

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From: [e-mail] (John Delaney)
Subject: Mac WORD 3.01 => DCA file => PC WordPerfect
Date: 21 Dec 87 17:08:33 GMT
Organization: MIT Lincoln Laboratory, Lexington, MA

I would like to hear about any experiences people have creating
documents using Word 3.01 on a Mac, writing them out as DCA formated
files (a Word  option), transfering those files to a PC, and then
editing the documents using WordPerfect on an IBM PC or PC clone. In
particular, I would like to know what features of a complex document
survive such a transfer intact, which do not but can be fixed with a
little work on the PC, and which are hopelessly garbled.

Why? You can probably guess; I bet the story is quite familiar. Our
group got a few Macs. Some of us started using them to prepare documents
and the like, editing them ourselves. It was faster than hand-writing
them or printing the Mac-produced files and then having a secretary type
them into an archaic, Brand X, stand-alone word-processor (adding typo's
along the way). Middle management noticed this situation and decided it
was not cost-effective. They replaced the secretaries' archaic, Brand X,
stand-alone word-processors. But not with Macs. They replaced them with
PC clones running WordPerfect. They also want to replace our Macs with
PC clones so we can run WordPerfect for document creation and pass the
files to the secretaries for further editing.

We Mac users would rather not give up our Macs. One option is to buy
copies of WordPerfect for the Mac when it is shaken-down. But middle
management, having tolerated the archaic, Brand X, stand-alone,
word-processors for many years now feels an urgent need to set things
right IMMEDIATELY. An interim measure would appear to be using DCA as an
intermediate format for moving document files back and forth. If that
works tolerably well.


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From: [e-mail] ( W. Harry Plantinga)
Subject: Re: Bug in Mac Word 3.01?
Date: 21 Dec 87 19:50:01 GMT
Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Clayton Cramer)
writes:
>I've noticed a bug in the Macintosh version of Word 3.01, and I'm curious
>If you print a document with a table of contents, and ask Word to print the
>document back-to-front, it prints only the sections after the table of
>contents section.

I've noticed this bug.  I print front-to-back.  You could also try
specifying the page numbers you want printed, including section numbers:
 in my case, from 1s1 to 56s3.  That would print from section one, page
one to section three, page 56.

I was bitten by an even stranger bug today.  I set up a paper to print
on the laserwriter and printed part of it to a file.  I then quit,
selected the imagewriter, and tried to print part of the paper.  Every
line that printed had a 0 (zero) on either side of it!

    0It looked something like this.0

The only way I could find to make it stop doing that was to reboot and
shift- repaginate.

Do y'all still find lots of bugs in word 3.01?  I must run across a
couple  every week.  Formulas that don't print, keystrokes missed,
bombs, . . .
--
Harry Plantinga
[e-mail]
{allegra,seismo,ihnp4}!uwvax!planting


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From: [e-mail] (tom royer)
Subject: Problem with PowerPoint
Date: 21 Dec 87 15:45:05 GMT
Organization: Sanders Associates Inc., Nashua, NH

Any PowerPoint users out there.

I have a moderately aggravating problem:  anytime I try to print reduced
versions of my slides (either as speaker's notes or as handouts)
PowerPoint leaves out significant portions of the slide.

If I'm printing speaker's notes, this problem extends to the note text
as well as the slide image itself.

Is this a PowerPoint problem, or is it a problem with my system in
combination with PowerPoint.

I like the product, but it's causing me some minor grief since the
ability to print speaker's notes is one of the features I was
particularly interested in.


Thanks in advance.

--
Tom Royer              Sanders Associates, A Lockheed Company
                       MER24-1283, CS2034          (603)-885-9171
                       Nashua, NH  03061-2034


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From: [e-mail] (Ed Anson)
Subject: Re: Bug in Mac Word 3.01?
Date: 21 Dec 87 16:31:10 GMT
Organization: Calcomp Display Products Division, Hudson, NH, USA

Yes, I've noticed it.  It's really annoying.

But I've also found a workaround.

In the Print dialog box, instead of letting it print "all" :-) the
pages, explicitly set the range of pages to print.  For this to work,
you must include section numbers as well as page numbers.  The first
page of your document is thus usually "P1 S1".  If you just say "1" this
can be ambiguous. If you drag the scroll bar to the end of the document,
the last page number of the document is displayed in the lower-left
corner of the screen, and is generally almost readable.

BTW: This bug is not particular to the table of contents.  It appears
any time you have multiple sections in a document.  It appears to drop
the first two sections (or all but the last?).

Hope this helps.
--
=====================================================================
   Ed Anson,    Calcomp Display Products Division,    Hudson NH 03051
   [phone],      [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Rick Holzgrafe)
Subject: Re: appletalk address
Date: 21 Dec 87 17:56:57 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

(Last time I opened my big mouth, I rammed my foot down it -- twice.
Nothing daunted, here I am to try again...  :-)

Alas, you can't.  There are no permanent addresses in AppleTalk;
addresses are assigned dynamically whenever the Mac comes on-line on the
net.  You use NBP (Name Binding Protocol) to assign an arbitrary (and
presumably unique) name-and-type pair to a node-and-socket, and other
folks wishing to talk to you can use the well-known name-and-type to
learn the address.

Addresses frequently remain "relatively constant": that is, the address
the Mac chooses is likely not to change if your net is stable.  This can
create an illusion of permanence.  There is a way to take advantage of
it: use NBPLookup the first time to learn the address of the
destination, then remember both the name and the address for future use.
 There is an NBP operation called NBPConfirm (IM II-301) which allows
you to check that the address is still good, with greater efficiency
than a look-up.  If it's still good, fine; if not, do the look-up again.

I hope a flame war doesn't start over networking strategies :-).  The
dynamic nature of AppleTalk addresses is to allow the "plug-and-play"
feature: no configuration needed, just plug that little cable in the
back of your Mac and boot it, and you're on the net.  The Mac does the
rest.

For more info, see "Inside AppleTalk".  I don't know where you can get
it (I got mine from my Area Associate) but you might try your local
technical bookstore, or APDA.

Hope this helps.
--
==========================================================================
Rick Holzgrafe             | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh
Communications Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 (I don't look often)
Apple Computer, Inc.         | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do
20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 27-Y     | not necessarily represent those of my
Cupertino, CA 95014         | employer, Apple Computer Inc."


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From: [e-mail] (Robert Gardner)
Subject: Another SFGetFile question
Date: 21 Dec 87 23:35:16 GMT
Organization: Philips Research Labs, Sunnyvale, California

I tried posting this earlier but it apparently got lost. Sorry if this
subject appears twice...

I have another problem with SFGetFile() (the responses to the last one
were much appreciated). I want to filter out all open files. I have
tried just checking the ioRefNum field since IM says that this will
contain the file's reference number if the file is open (but it doesn't
say what it will contain if the file is closed!). If ioRefNum is 0 then
I assume the file is closed. This works fine on the Mac+ but does NOT
work on 64K ROM machines. On 64K ROM machines my filter  thinks that
EVERY file is open.

Since this works on 128K ROMs but not on 64K ROMs I am worried about how
it will work on newer machines. Also, no one seems to be willing to
completely give up on 64K ROM machines yet so I still have to find a way
that works for older Macs.
--
Thank you,
Robert Gardner


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From: [e-mail] (Brian H. Powell)
Subject: Control Panel Bug?
Date: 22 Dec 87 20:26:04 GMT
Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas


     In a program I'm working on, I load all the cursors that I am going
to use at the beginning of the program, move them to high memory, lock
them down, dereference the handles and use pointers to them for the
duration of the program.  Fine.
     After playing around with the control panel, I noticed that my
watch cursor had turned into mush.  I tried a few other DAs, but I
couldn't get them to exhibit this behavior.  I did a step spy on the
handle and found out that somebody is unlocking the handle.  I'm not
sure if it's the control panel or the OpenDeskAcc code, but it happens
in there somewhere.
     This all reeks of good old Macintosh Technical Note #1, in which is
discussed the issue of DAs purging system resources, for example, oh,
say the watch cursor, that might be in use by the application.  This
makes me tend to believe that the DA is wrong in unlocking my handle.
(As opposed to me being wrong expecting locked handles to system
resources to stay locked.)

     Any comments?  I plan to refetch my cursors after the OpenDeskAcc
call now, rather than call GetCursor each time I want to use a cursor.
Is this safe?  Are there any other things lurking about that want to
unlock my handles?

Brian H. Powell
        UUCP:    ...!uunet!ut-sally!brian
        ARPA:    [e-mail]

        P.O. Box 5899
        Austin, TX 78763-5899
        [phone]


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From: [e-mail] (David B. Whiteman)
Subject: Mac II ADB problem
Date: 23 Dec 87 07:00:32 GMT
Organization: Crash TS, San Diego, CA

Greetings,

I was wondering if anyone has heard of any problems with the Apple
Desktop Bus circuits on the Macintosh II.  I know of three of them in
which the ADB would refuse to respond to either mouse or keyboard input
after the keyboard was changed from the standard keyboard to the
extended keyboard.  Switching keyboards, mice, cables and ADB ports did
nothing to fix the problem; neither did changing hard disk and system
files.  The only solution in these three cases was replacing the
motherboard.


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From: [e-mail] (Steve Hix)
Subject: Raytracing
Date: 23 Dec 87 00:55:24 GMT

Are there any PD raytracing programs out there in the known universe for
the mac?

Even a pointer to something printed on how to write one would be nice.

    thanks

    seh


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From: [e-mail] (Rich Siegel)
Subject: Re: Control Panel Bug?
Date: 23 Dec 87 21:55:09 GMT
Organization: THINK Technologies, Bedford, MA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian H. Powell)
writes:
>
>     In a program I'm working on, I load all the cursors that I am going to
> ...
>program.  Fine.

    No, this is not fine. I will explain.

>     After playing around with the control panel, I noticed that my watch
> ...
    It's not good practice to lock a handle, then keep its master pointer
around, because exactly that sort of thing can happen. The best way to
get the same effect is to preload the CURS resources and keep the
CursHandles as global variables.

>     This all reeks of good old Macintosh Technical Note #1, in which is
> ...
    Tech Note number 1 is clear on the subject of *purging* resources, but
says nothing about locking or unlocking them.


        --Rich

--
**The opinions stated herein are my own opinions and do not necessarily
represent the policies or opinions of my employer (THINK Technologies).

* Richard M. Siegel | {decvax, ucbvax, sun}!harvard!endor!singer    *
* Customer Support  | [e-mail]                *
* Symantec, THINK Technologies Division.  (No snappy quote)         *


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From: [e-mail] (Phil Hunt)
Subject: Convert 800k external to Mac II (left) internal?
Date: 23 Dec 87 20:26:11 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Hello,

   I have an old Mac Plus 800k external Apple drive and was wondering if
it can be modified to use as a Mac II internal (left) drive.  I know the
internal housing holding the SONY drive is not a match and will require
some work to make it fit, but if I plug it in to the Mac II, all disk
popped in get a  'Disk unreadable, initialize?' message.  If I say
EJECT, it does.  If I say to initialize, I hear the drive do 1 I/O (low
sounding THUNK) and then get an 'Initialization Failed!' message and the
disk ejects.

Obviously, the drive is seen by the Mac II and works partially,  what
has to be done to make it work correctly?? Any ideas??

Phil Hunt


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From: [e-mail] (Li-chun Wu)
Subject: densitometric measuring with Macintosh ?
Date: 23 Dec 87 22:47:18 GMT
Organization: NASA Ames Research Center

Has anyone kwow of the possibility of using Macintosh to measure the
optical density from a transparency.  We would like to use Macintosh
II(?) to quantify the amount of particles in a given area.  Any
suggestion will be appreciated.
--
Please E-mail to
       [e-mail]    or [e-mail]
Thanks.


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From: [e-mail] (Ken Eddings)
Subject: Farm Software Names Found
Date: 24 Dec 87 03:03:00 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer, Inc., Cupertino, USA


This from the soon-to-be-released 2nd edition of the Vertical Market
Business Directory.  The selections are edited to save space.  Prices
range from $395 to $6500, with support and training varying for the
different products.

I might take this time to mention the availability of the Solutions
Guide  series.  At this time there are at least two available: Apple
Engineering/ Scientific Solutions Guide and the Vertical Market Business
Directory.  The following is from the revision to the Vertical Market
edition.  They are listed on the dealer price list and can be ordered
through them (unless they happen to stock them normally. ;-) )  Prices
are around $4 or 5.  Other volumes are  planned, I know for certain a
music directory is planned.  Expect new editions in a couple of months.

This information is supplied as a service to the (misplaced) request
recently posted on the net.  No warrenty is expressed or implied, your
mileage may vary.

If more information is requested, I'll gather it as time allows.  I will
try to get more info on other directories and their publication
schedule, prices, and post when I've gotten it.  Have fun.

AGRICULTURE/FARMING

Yes! Seed Inventory Based Accounting and Marketing Package

Yes! is a point of purchase based system used in accounting for
inventory by seed dealers, seed wholesalers and seed producers.   The
systems are customized for each application using terminology and
present organizational style of a user's firm.  Includes  histories of
treatments & coatings, multiple invoicing, updates what is in stock, on
order and booked on margins.  Requires Macintosh Plus or larger, and 20
MB hard drive.

    AG Computerized Information Systems
    17682 Beach Blvd., Ste 201
    Huntington Beach, CA 92646
    [phone]


AgAccounts

AgAccounts is a single-entry, cash-basis accounting system for farmers
and ranchers. The program allows complete flexibility in designing
categories for income, expenses, assets and liabilities. Includes
standard management reports. Requires Macintosh 512KE or larger, 800K
drive, ImageWriter II.

    Komstock Co.
    4023 N. State St.
    Bismark, ND 58501
    [phone]


AgriVision Integrated Vinyard Management

AgriVision Integrated Vinyard Management is a comprehensive
farm-management program designed to track costs, pest problems,
production, customers and payroll.  Seven modules for a variety of
tasks.  Systems also available for orchards, turf-grass and row crops.
Requires Macintosh 512K or larger; external drive;hard disk drive;
printer.

    AgriVision Systems
    PO Box 675
    Hopland, CA  95449
    [phone]


MapBase

MapBase is a graphics-based data management system that can be used for
making detailed field and pasture records.  Overall farm maps are
entered into the program and linked to detailed maps of field or pasture
layouts. Users can keep as much info as needed about crops planted,
fertilizers used, tillage or chemicals used, yields, grazing rates, etc.
 Soil classifications in individual fields can also be recorded, making
the program useful to soil scientists and commercial chemical and
fertilizer makers and applicators. Requires 512KE or larger Macintosh;
800K disk drive; ImageWriter II.

    Komstock Co.
    (see above address)


AGRICULTURE/FORESTRY SERVICE

Arbor Computer Systems 500

Arbor Computer Systems is a custom designed (for each company) database
with  all the functions necessary during the daily operations of a tree
company,  including accounts recievable, payable and payroll.  The
package allows a single entry card file to generate invoices, work
orders, contarcts, inventory and cost accounting.  All reports are
predesigned and menu  driven so that most tasks can be accomplished with
one keystroke. Works with any Macintosh.

    Arbor Computer Systems
    117 Weston Rd.
    Westport, CT  06880
    [phone]


Timber Inventory 3.0

Timber Inventory is a complete inventory system for the timber industry.
 It provides data entry and editing for four products:  sawtimber, chip
& saw, pulpwood and pre-merchanatable.  Cumulative and points are kept
by separate tally. Workup is available by any of six log rules for
sawtimber, cubic feet and cords for chip & saw and pulpwood.  Timber
Inventory supports tree count, fixed radius plots, point sampling and
strip cruising. Requires 512K or larger Macintosh; ImageWriter.

    Bennett & Peters, Inc.
    8313 O'Hara Ct.
    Baton Rouge, LA 70806
    [phone]


AGRICULTURE/LIVESTOCK

Beef Register

Beef Register is a complete management system for a registered livestock
producer and meets the specific recordkeeping requirements of nearly all
breed associations. It is equally useful for keeping records on
commercial cattle heards.  Data entry screens are single purpose and
follow the natural cycle of herd management, including breeding, birth,
weaning, vaccination and sales.   Requires 512KE or larger Macintosh;
hard disk drive; 800K disk drive; ImageWriter II.

    Komstock Co.
    (see above address)


____________________________________________________________________________
  Ken Eddings              CSNET:  [e-mail]
  Apple Computer M/S 36AA AppleLink:  EDDINGS2
  20525 Mariani Ave           UUCP: {sun,voder,amdahl,decwrl}!apple!eddings
  Cupertino, CA 95014       Internet:  [e-mail]
  Home: [phone]          Work: [phone]

  "The prudent mariner will never rely solely on any single aid to
navigation"


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From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re: simulating relativistic motion
Date: 21 Dec 87 08:57:00 GMT


    There does exist an relativity program for both the PC and MAC. The
program is call Relativity, and it allows you display different objects
at speeds up to C.  Neither version supports color, but the MAC version
does support big screen monitors.  The program comes with a number of
predefined 3-D objects, including a street with lampposts, and yes, the
lampposts do droop as you pass down the street.  If you would like more
information on the program, contact

    Piricle Development Company
    11140 Rockvill Pike
    Suite L-314
    Rockville, MD  20852 or call [phone]

The cost of either version is $19.95 + 1.60 s&h(US) 3.40 (outside US).
The PC version requires CGA.  The program does come with a relativity
tutorial.


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From: [e-mail] (Brian H. Powell)
Subject: Re: Control Panel Bug?
Date: 24 Dec 87 23:32:08 GMT
Organization: U. Texas CS Dept., Austin, Texas

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Rich
Siegel) writes:
>     It's not good practice to lock a handle, then keep its master pointer
>...
     That's sounds like a good idea, but I've got a question about it.
I presume I should then have global handles to the cursors.  I shouldn't
have them locked.  So, my call would be
    SetCursor(*watch_cursor_hdl);   /* in C */

     But what if the cursor relocates while the watch is being
displayed?  I guess the question is, "Does SetCursor make a copy of the
cursor and use that, or does it use the actual cursor that it's given?"
If it's the latter, I'll have to copy the cursor into a non-relocatable
block of memory and use it there.  What a waste.

     By the way, one of the recent tech notes about multifinder said
that you shouldn't modify the attributes of any of the system resources
that are in memory.  This means that my idea of locking the cursors is
officially verboten.

Brian


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From: [e-mail] (J.S.Shapiro)
Subject: Need help with color startupscreen
Date: 25 Dec 87 06:23:47 GMT
Organization: AT&T-IS, Summit N.J. USA

Sigh. So I finally get a moment to begin to play around a bit with my
Mac II's graphics, and I decide it would be neat to have a 256 color
startup screen. So off I go, take a favorite 256 color image, dump it as
a res=0 pict file, and name it startupscreen.... Reboot the mac and the
image shows up. You guessed it - wrong clut. The image came out looking
pretty bad.

Is there something I missed here? Is there a way to get the mac to use
the clut in the pict resource? I know it's in there, because if I reread
the pict file back into the utility I built it with it colorizes just
fine.

Any ideas?
--
Jon Shapiro
AT&T Information Systems


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From: [e-mail] (Simon Evans)
Subject: 4D Limitations and woes?
Date: 15 Dec 87 05:26:44 GMT
Organization: RUNX Un*x Timeshare.  Sydney, Australia.


We have a developer here working with 4th Dimension who is having some
problems. We/I/he would appreciate any light the assorted minds out
there can shed.

1. Is there a limit on the size of 4D procedures? The good ol' "32K"
limit?

2. We have a (moderately complicated) layout  (includes a subfile) with
a (moderately complicated) layout procedure, which is opened in one
instance by a call to AddRecord which  takes about 4 seconds to execute
on a Mac2. Is this usual/not uncommon /abnormal in people's experience?
Does anyone know of any means of speeding it up? Is this related to 1?

Thanks for any suggestions, Simon Evans.
--
Simon Evans              ISD: [phone] or [phone]
JAM Software Pty Ltd           STD:  [phone] or  [phone]
27A Nowranie Street         ACS: [e-mail]
Summer Hill NSW  2130           UUCP: seismo!munnari!runx.ips.oz!sce
AUSTRALIA                       ARPA: munnari!runx.ips.oz!sce@SEISMO


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From: [e-mail] (Jeff Harrow, NCSE BXB1-2/E02 DTN=293-5128)
Subject: My 'disk catalog' overfloweth!  Help!
Date: 27 Dec 87 02:34:47 GMT
Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation

Well, here  it is a day after Christmas, and having eaten my fill of
turkey (too many times) and played with my new toys, I felt it was
finally time to get to that odious task I've been putting off for so
many months:

Cataloging that box of diskettes...

So, I faithfully cranked up Micro Disk Cataloger (MDC II, V2.1b). All
went well until I got  JUST  to  the end of the box, at which time the
program indicated that 'it didn't  have enough memory to read that
disk'.

Experimentation  indicated  that even running without Multifinder on a
2  Meg.    Mac  II,  it was apparently limited by something internal to
the program, not by the system memory (I think it was written in Forth).
 WHAT A PAIN!

I checked my friendly  MacUser  to  see if there might be a later
version of the program, but it didn't show MDC II in its "current
version" nor Quick Clicks sections.

So, my questions:

o Is it a current product?    If  so, what is its current version and
who  can  I contact (I can't find a number  for  New  Cannon Microcode)?

o Alternately, have any of you had  good  experience  with a disk
cataloger?    Which ones?  Were they limited  in  the  number  of
diskettes they could keep track of?

o Does anyone have any 'heavy' experience with "Disk Rngr", which came
across the net recently?  What are its limitations?

Thanks, and WATCH OUT!
--
Jeff Harrow

Work address:
ARPAnet:    [e-mail]
Usenet:        decwrl!exodus.dec.com!harrow        or
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Easynet:    EXODUS::HARROW
Telephone:    [phone]
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From: [e-mail] (Christopher Chow)
Subject: DMCS for the Mac II
Date: 27 Dec 87 03:16:02 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY


Does anyone know if Electronic Arts plans to have a Mac II compatible
version of DMCS 2.0?  The present version (with orginal copy protection
or with the copy protection removed) bombs.

Better yet, does anyone know of a program similar to DMCS 2.0 which
works on a Mac II?  Ideally this program should take advantage of the
Apple Sound Chip (i.e., use sampled sounds for playback, support either
4-voice stereo, or probably what would be more useful is 8-voices in
mono) , and have rudimentary MIDI options like DMCS 2.0 (i.e., MIDI
playback, limited amount of note entry via MIDI).  Its scoring features
should be at least as strong as DMCS 2.0.  Finally, it should be
marketed for the home market instead of the professional music market to
keep the cost reasonable.  Oh, of course, it should run under
multifinder.

Is there a program like that?  Or am I just dreaming...
--
Christopher Chow
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From: Garance Drosehn
Subject: Re: The Installer question
Date: 27 Dec 87 03:17:00 GMT


   I also used the installer scripts for the new system, despite
   the bad press I've heard about them.  As far as I can tell, I
   didn't have any problems due to the installer scripts (I've
   been running on the new system for a few weeks, so I think
   it's likely that any problems would have turned up by now).

   There were a few things the installer scripts could have done
   better on, I think.  It was helpful that they carried over all
   my fonts and DA's to the new system, but not so helpful that
   they added some of the standard Apple fonts that were not in
   my old system file.  Since I have SUITCASE (TM), I had removed
   some Apple fonts from the system because I wanted them off in
   Suitcase files.  By having those fonts re-added when the new
   system was installed, I got the versions in the system file
   instead of the ones in my Suitcase files.  In some cases I
   had alternate versions in the Suitcase files, which meant that
   I got unexpected results until I realized what had happened.

   Similarly, I didn't want it to re-add any Apple DA's that I
   had removed from the System file.

   One DA that didn't transfer successfully for me was the
   SMART ALARMS (TM) DA.  That has a special installer program
   (you can't install it with Font/Da Mover), so it probably
   mucks around with resources or other things of the system
   file.  In my own opinion, that DA should be rewritten to
   work as an INIT file and a DA which could be handled by
   SUITCASE.  I don't see that Apple should try to handle it.

   There is also some kinda neat utility that I had run against
   my older version of Finder, which created some special resource
   for it.  I can't remember the name of that resource right now,
   but it allows you to customize the way that Finder lays out things
   on the desktop.  As a for instance, I have this set up so that
   the "cleanup window" process (in the SPECIAL menu) will stagger
   the location of Icons in adjacent columns.  This way means that
   I can have longer names on my files without the name under one
   Icon running into the name under the neighboring Icons.  Kinda
   nice, but the installer script did not copy that resource over
   to the new version of Finder that it installed.  Given that this
   is a resource that Finder recognizes, but which would *always*
   be setup by the user (as opposed to Apple), I think the installer
   should check for it and copy it if it's there.
   (assuming I have my facts straight on how it works, of course)

   Note that all three of the above problems would have happened
   if I had just dragged stuff into my system folder instead of
   using the installer scripts.  I think that the installer could
   be improved to handle the first and the third situations better,
   but even as it is I feel I was better off using the installer
   scripts.

   I also wish it would have remembered all the preferences that
   I had setup from the control panel...

            - Garance Alistair Drosehn
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From: [e-mail] (GRAESE WILLIAM S)
Subject: Re: Mac II ADB problem
Date: 27 Dec 87 04:12:16 GMT
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder

I read an article on here not long ago that there is a microprocessor
inside all ADB devices that are initialized upon a bootup.  Thus,
unplugging one will erase the memory in the device.  Did you Shut Down
when switching keyboards? If not, the new keyboard wasn't initialized.
The person mentioned nothing about damage, though, just that the system
had to be rebooted. Hope that helps.
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